Friday, July 01, 2016

Discussing Our World And The People We Find There

I was hanging out on one of our swings chewing the fat with some of the kids. I can't remember what we were talking about, but I'd just said, "I guess I forgot," when Roko earnestly replied, "You know, Teacher Tom, "When you get older you forget more stuff."

The following day, I was a sitting in a circle of children heatlessly arguing about Star Wars. Roko was there and when one of the other kids insisted I was wrong about some detail, I answered, "Well, I saw the first movie a long time ago, when I was a teenager. Roko told me that when you get older you forget more stuff so maybe I just forgot."

Roko nodded, "It's true."

Cecelia, who has just finished her first year of kindergarten, didn't agree, "No, the way it works is you go to another school and another school and every time you go to another school you get smarter and you remember more."

Paul had another thought, "If you see Star Wars when you're little and short, then you get tall and old you forget."

Roko's older brother, Matija, another kindergarten graduate said, "When you get to be like 70 years old you start to forget things. That's what's happening to my grandpa." Now I understood what Roko had originally been trying to warn me about.

Henry then insisted, "You get smarter when you watch TV."

I couldn't help myself, "Really?"

He clarified, "When you watch animal shows, then you get smarter . . . about animals."

Myla jumped in, "I'm a girl scout. We get badges when we learn new things."

Liam told us that he was going to be a boy scout.

One of the youngest boys said, "I'm going to be a girl scout when I get bigger." Some of the older kids jumped on that, telling him that he was a boy and that he would have to be a boy scout. He looked crushed so I tried to buck him up by siding with him, "When I get bigger, I'm going to be a girl scout too. I want to get some of those badges so I don't forget so much stuff." When the kids then turned to me to insist that 1) I wasn't a girl and 2) I was already too old, I role modeled standing up for myself. "If I want to be a girl scout I can be a girl scout."

Myla asked, "Are you like a girl inside of a man?"

"Maybe so."

"Does that mean you have a penis and a vagina?" She was joking, going for an absurdity.

Cecelia jumped in, "I know a girl with a penis."

Several of the older kids responded with some version of, "Really?" an invitation to tell them more, unlike my earlier "Really?" to Henry which had been, frankly, a good natured, but still judgmental expression of doubt.

"Yes, she has a penis and she wants to be called they."

I asked, "She wants to be called they instead of he or she?"

"Yeah, so I call her . . . I mean I call they they."

Myla asked, "So could they be a girl scout or boy scout?"

Cecelia shrugged, "I guess so. They can be anything they want."

Hanging around together, discussing the world and the people we find there, tossing out our thoughts and ideas, sharing without judgement, asking questions, learning new stuff, changing our minds: this is deep democracy.

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Marcela Hernandez said...

Yes! This is how it's done! Thank you Teacher Tom. I want all parents of my students and all their other teachers to read this and follow the beautiful example you set.

greyhoundgirl said...

Fantastic discussion. Fantastic adults for letting children know that this can be true.

Regency Kindergarten said...

Wow, alot of vocabularies. do u think their parents ever had discussions just like this ? 😃

Teacher Tom said...

Indeed! This conversation clearly reflects the sorts of conversations the kids are having at home. We are a remarkable community.

Anonymous said...

I'm impressed that you recall such detail from the conversations. Do you record them?

K. Love said...

I forwarded this post (via email) to everyone I know who is interested in teaching and children. And living with intention. I've just discovered your blog and Facebook page, Tom, and want to thank you so much for sharing of yourself, your stories and experiences, with the world. They resonate with me greatly and I feel happy to know that there are people in the world like you, doing the work that you do. One Love!

KerrieAnn said...

Teacher Tom,

This is truly wonderful! Conversations like these can be difficult for many adults, but with your modeling and guidance these children are able to openly and honestly explore their questions about the world. You show them compassion and are helping them to foster empathy. This is exactly what I am working on in my doctoral degree, and I am eager to continue reading your beautiful stories.

Best - Kerrie

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