Pretty powerful stuff. I live in an area with very small (relatively speaking) school districts, so in a sense, it's almost as if there are "neighborhood schools" here already, even though I'm sure my most people in my state with vehemently disagree. Still, people with money move into the town with the "good school district" and people with less money move into the "lesser" school districts. In the districts with a very split population, many of the monied residents send their children to private school. As a result, districts with a diverse population (such as the one I live in, as well as the one i work in) are not ranked as high because they are dealing with issues such as homelessness, students who don't speak English, and a higher percentage of at risk students. I believe districts in my area should be combined into much large districts, thereby spreading the wealth and resources around more equally. Maybe busing to further integrate the students would help as well. Everyone who wants a good education should be able to get one.
I liked your blog, but this is one too many from an ideological viewpoint that I won't support.
Your country is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. And the reason for that is so that a majority can't overrun the rights of a minority, as they can in a democracy.
The Taliban forcing girls out of schools and the US federal government forcing it's citizens to subsidize the education of other peoples children are two sides of the same coin.
Both are using force to impose a moral viewpoint on the population at large. That the ends are subjectively evil or good is largely irrelevant to the wider moral point that the means, relying on coercion at the point of a gun or threat of imprisonment is wrong.
Some of us believe that all relationships, financial and otherwise, should be based on individual choices and individual rights.
And some believe that using government power to enforce their point of view is ok, so long as the majority of voting citizens agree.
You have shown again where your ideological loyalties lie and I won't support them by remaining a subscriber.
It seems that you and I differ principally in how we view the purpose for public education. It's my view, one shared by the founders, that the primary reason we have public education is to prepare citizens for their role in our model of self-governance. If our democracy is going to function properly we need a citizenry capable of thinking critically, taking part in the give-and-take process of compromise, and questioning authority, among other things. Your comment leads me to think that you consider the role of education to be primarily vocational. While our economic role is an important one, it is only a small piece of what is required for becoming a fully functioning citizen.
I can't imagine the US ever switching to a system in which children are forced to choose their careers/socio-economic class at such a young age. Many great minds have blossomed later in life. Einstein comes to mind, a kid who was a poor student. It would have been a pity to have had him pushed into a vocational track at 14. I don't share your view that extended years of education is necessarily bad for everyone. Some perhaps use it as a way to extend adolescence, but it's certainly not true for everyone, or even most.
As for Steinbeck's quote, it is perhaps truer today than when he wrote it. It explains why so many poor people can be counted on to vote against their own self-interest. Sadly, social mobility in the US is at an all time low and getting worse. The last time I looked it up, nations like Egypt had greater social mobility.
@Chris . . . The ancient Athenians attempted to govern themselves through direct democracy, a form in which there is a danger that the will of the majority will trample the RIGHTS of a minority. Our founders were, of course, aware of this potential for "tyranny of the majority" and so when choosing what form of government to embody in our Constitution, they went with a republic in which representatives are elected democratically. In other words, instead of government directly controlled by the people, it is indirectly controlled: what dictionaries at the time defined as a "representative democracy." Encyclopedias have been written, and will continue to be written, discussing the nuances of the republic vs. democracy debate, one that I'd rather not engage in here, except to say that however you define our form of government, we are, together, attempting to self-govern with democracy as the centerpiece, and that, as it has been from the onset, is a grand experiment.
That said, I don't share your view that the actions of the Taliban (a self-appointed gang of radicals) is in any way comparable to a democratically elected government: that, for me, is an ideological bridge too far. To say that "we the people," through our duly elected government is illegitimate in subsidizing education, is to call into question everything our government does, from building roads, establishing a military, or creating laws to help ensure an ongoing supply of clean air and water. Our founders were very clear in their belief that our government could ONLY function with a well-educated populace. It is in everyone's interest to support that goal.
It's a pity, I think, you don't feel you ought to be a part of that. I would prefer to not have my tax dollars being spent to support such a gigantic military, but I appear to be in the minority about that. The phrase "tyranny of the majority" does not refer to policy matters, but rather fundamental issues of Constitutional equality and civil rights. For instance, it is tyranny of the majority when the rights of a minority (gays for instance) are put to a vote of a majority -- that's why Prop 8 in California was struck down, because it did exactly that: robbed a minority of a basic civil right, making them lesser citizens.
There are many things we can do alone, but there are also many that we can only do together. Government is the name we give to the institution we've set up for that purpose. I'm sorry this idea upsets you.
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Pretty powerful stuff. I live in an area with very small (relatively speaking) school districts, so in a sense, it's almost as if there are "neighborhood schools" here already, even though I'm sure my most people in my state with vehemently disagree. Still, people with money move into the town with the "good school district" and people with less money move into the "lesser" school districts. In the districts with a very split population, many of the monied residents send their children to private school. As a result, districts with a diverse population (such as the one I live in, as well as the one i work in) are not ranked as high because they are dealing with issues such as homelessness, students who don't speak English, and a higher percentage of at risk students. I believe districts in my area should be combined into much large districts, thereby spreading the wealth and resources around more equally. Maybe busing to further integrate the students would help as well. Everyone who wants a good education should be able to get one.
Hi Tom,
I liked your blog, but this is one too many from an ideological viewpoint that I won't support.
Your country is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. And the reason for that is so that a majority can't overrun the rights of a minority, as they can in a democracy.
The Taliban forcing girls out of schools and the US federal government forcing it's citizens to subsidize the education of other peoples children are two sides of the same coin.
Both are using force to impose a moral viewpoint on the population at large. That the ends are subjectively evil or good is largely irrelevant to the wider moral point that the means, relying on coercion at the point of a gun or threat of imprisonment is wrong.
Some of us believe that all relationships, financial and otherwise, should be based on individual choices and individual rights.
And some believe that using government power to enforce their point of view is ok, so long as the majority of voting citizens agree.
You have shown again where your ideological loyalties lie and I won't support them by remaining a subscriber.
Regards,
Chris
@rosti . . . Thank you for the novel! =)
It seems that you and I differ principally in how we view the purpose for public education. It's my view, one shared by the founders, that the primary reason we have public education is to prepare citizens for their role in our model of self-governance. If our democracy is going to function properly we need a citizenry capable of thinking critically, taking part in the give-and-take process of compromise, and questioning authority, among other things. Your comment leads me to think that you consider the role of education to be primarily vocational. While our economic role is an important one, it is only a small piece of what is required for becoming a fully functioning citizen.
I can't imagine the US ever switching to a system in which children are forced to choose their careers/socio-economic class at such a young age. Many great minds have blossomed later in life. Einstein comes to mind, a kid who was a poor student. It would have been a pity to have had him pushed into a vocational track at 14. I don't share your view that extended years of education is necessarily bad for everyone. Some perhaps use it as a way to extend adolescence, but it's certainly not true for everyone, or even most.
As for Steinbeck's quote, it is perhaps truer today than when he wrote it. It explains why so many poor people can be counted on to vote against their own self-interest. Sadly, social mobility in the US is at an all time low and getting worse. The last time I looked it up, nations like Egypt had greater social mobility.
@Chris . . . The ancient Athenians attempted to govern themselves through direct democracy, a form in which there is a danger that the will of the majority will trample the RIGHTS of a minority. Our founders were, of course, aware of this potential for "tyranny of the majority" and so when choosing what form of government to embody in our Constitution, they went with a republic in which representatives are elected democratically. In other words, instead of government directly controlled by the people, it is indirectly controlled: what dictionaries at the time defined as a "representative democracy." Encyclopedias have been written, and will continue to be written, discussing the nuances of the republic vs. democracy debate, one that I'd rather not engage in here, except to say that however you define our form of government, we are, together, attempting to self-govern with democracy as the centerpiece, and that, as it has been from the onset, is a grand experiment.
That said, I don't share your view that the actions of the Taliban (a self-appointed gang of radicals) is in any way comparable to a democratically elected government: that, for me, is an ideological bridge too far. To say that "we the people," through our duly elected government is illegitimate in subsidizing education, is to call into question everything our government does, from building roads, establishing a military, or creating laws to help ensure an ongoing supply of clean air and water. Our founders were very clear in their belief that our government could ONLY function with a well-educated populace. It is in everyone's interest to support that goal.
It's a pity, I think, you don't feel you ought to be a part of that. I would prefer to not have my tax dollars being spent to support such a gigantic military, but I appear to be in the minority about that. The phrase "tyranny of the majority" does not refer to policy matters, but rather fundamental issues of Constitutional equality and civil rights. For instance, it is tyranny of the majority when the rights of a minority (gays for instance) are put to a vote of a majority -- that's why Prop 8 in California was struck down, because it did exactly that: robbed a minority of a basic civil right, making them lesser citizens.
There are many things we can do alone, but there are also many that we can only do together. Government is the name we give to the institution we've set up for that purpose. I'm sorry this idea upsets you.
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