"There are positives to be gained by sometimes dividing ourselves up by gender, there is nothing but negatives in dividing by race."
Hmmm. I don't think I can necessarily agree. What about, say, a Black Students' Union at a college? And many other such examples. My college had a special interest house for people of color. I don't believe you were allowed to live there if you were White. I didn't have an issue with this.
I do have this sense that children probably don't engage in exactly the same kind of essential I'm this/you're that/this is who I am identity work around race in the preschool years as they seem to around gender. But....I'm not totally sure that this isn't me speaking from my position as a White person. I suspect that children of color do experience this rather more strongly. And that it's confusing.
Also, I live in the South, and I live in a racially diverse community, and I do see kids, even young kids, subconsciously?? dividing by race on the playground. Now, I have never seen kids group up and say "White kids over here! No black kids allowed" or vice versa as I have seen it done with boys and girls. But let me say--I can imagine it.
Brilliant post, as usual. It is a very interesting question and I enjoyed the way you worked through it. As the first comment alludes to, one component that I think deserves further consideration is the degree to which children and others in society DO intentionally divide themselves by race, in ways that are not generally considered racist. Most ethnic celebrations and clubs include, to some degree, a sense of pride associated with race. But even outside of organized groups, kids purposefully identify with certain in-groups (e.g. by dress, speech, music, hangout locations) that, although they may or may not be exclusive to one race, can certainly look from the outside like kids shouting "[this race]" and "[that race]" across the school yard.
This is an interesting post, and I recognize that you are being brave by even broaching this subject. I have a few thoughts about this.
- I wonder what you would have done if you had kids on the playground who are confused or uncomfortable about their own sex or gender.I've worked with a couple of kids who struggled with their gender identity in preschool. I used to pick one of them up at Kindergarten and she ALWAYS had to pee really badly when I arrived. I gave her a hard time, one day, asked "Why couldn't you go to the bathroom before the end of the school day, before I get here?" She told me conspiratorially that she waited so she didn't have to use the school bathroom because kids who didn't know her always said "You're in the girls' room!" or "There's a BOY in the GIRLS' room!" so she waited until she could go at my place. When she was 3 she said things like "I hate princesses, that's why I'm a boy." She's a really awesome almost teenage girl now, but when she was in preschool, this game would have tied her stomach in knots to watch. For kids like her, and others I've known just watching others asserting gender that way can be painful because it asks her to step on a line publicly and be judged by her peers, EVEN if she stays out of the game. I don't bring this up because I think that this instance of this game was problematic for your group, I bring it up to counter your idea that the game was "ok" simply because the difference was gender.
- I think that non-rj kids often exclude on the basis of race. At my center, we serve a very international community, so we have many skin tones in our classrooms. Children have been known to force one another into roles in princess games because of their skin tones. "There's no one in Cinderella with tan skin, so you can be the table... or the dog I guess." This is exclusion based on race, and it's not angry or mean or racist, but it is connected to our dominant culture and the stories we tell about people and our skin tones. I agree with you, of course, that race is a construct, but I can absolutely imagine kids on the playground yelling "Brown" and "White" or "Brown" and "Pink" in a similar way. I can also see how it may be outside of your context because of the make-up of your community.
I don't like to have a post that says "Yeah, but..." and that's all, but I'm afraid it's all I can contribute at the moment.
I think we don't worry about gender grouping as much as race grouping among kids because 1) gender groupings are nearly guaranteed to be equal in size and 2) gender at that age is defined by changeable characteristics (clothes and hair to some extent, but mostly who the kid chooses to identify with) while race is nearly always based on unchangeable skin color
So, gender groupings gravitate towards being balanced, and kids can effectively switch sides in the name of supporting friends and exploring both sides.
Racial groupings are more likely to be unbalanced in numbers, and kids can't switch sides as easily as putting on dress up clothes or announcing their change. We don't like the idea that some kids will probably get stuck on a (numerically) weaker side without as much chance to change it.
I read your blog to reaffirm my beliefs. After living in Seattle for years, I moved to the south. I am constantly having my personal beliefs about children and how they learn tested. So much of what you write about is relevant to my elementary aged students.
Our neighborhood in Seattle was diverse in every sense: Christian, Jewish, African-American, Asian, Latino, Russian, and same sex couple. When my daughters transferred to their school in Atlanta they were the only Caucasian student in their classes (K & 2nd). Everyday, I waited for them to come home and say, "Mom, the kids at school don't look like me." It NEVER happened. They never noticed. It wasn't until the next school year that an adult family member brought up the difference in Seattle & Atlanta. My oldest replied, "I noticed, I just didn't know it was important."
My colleagues sometimes misunderstand my willingness to let my students work things out without my intervention and/or guidance. I personally feel that they deserve my trust. I know that they can talk about things in a kind, caring way. This year, my third graders have discussed why some students have two moms (whether through divorce or same sex partnership), slavery and the implications, the protection our Founding Fathers gave to white men and how others helped to expand those freedoms. Most of their conversations were with each other. I hung around the periphery of the conversations "just in case". They never needed me, they figured it out, together!
Gender is easy to understand and concrete (for the most part). And it's interesting to each side at those ages. My kids are mixed. I am white, my husband is black. We have had many conversations over the last couple of years (they are 4 and 5 years old, a boy and girl) of the differences in people. When they brought up difference in skin color, it was as simple as difference in hair or eyes or any other physical characteristic. They got it, they understood it. Sometimes they point out differences they have never encountered before but it's never bad or "weird", just different.
There are so many variables in appearance that it's hard to group oneself in just one or another and I think all kids inherently know that. There is lots of boy vs girl stuff around the parks and in our home. We homeschool so maybe it would be different in a public school but I agree that unless the parents make it a big deal, it wouldn't be to kids. We are all interconnected and that is easy to see as a child.
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"There are positives to be gained by sometimes dividing ourselves up by gender, there is nothing but negatives in dividing by race."
Hmmm. I don't think I can necessarily agree. What about, say, a Black Students' Union at a college? And many other such examples. My college had a special interest house for people of color. I don't believe you were allowed to live there if you were White. I didn't have an issue with this.
I do have this sense that children probably don't engage in exactly the same kind of essential I'm this/you're that/this is who I am identity work around race in the preschool years as they seem to around gender. But....I'm not totally sure that this isn't me speaking from my position as a White person. I suspect that children of color do experience this rather more strongly. And that it's confusing.
Also, I live in the South, and I live in a racially diverse community, and I do see kids, even young kids, subconsciously?? dividing by race on the playground. Now, I have never seen kids group up and say "White kids over here! No black kids allowed" or vice versa as I have seen it done with boys and girls. But let me say--I can imagine it.
Brilliant post, as usual. It is a very interesting question and I enjoyed the way you worked through it. As the first comment alludes to, one component that I think deserves further consideration is the degree to which children and others in society DO intentionally divide themselves by race, in ways that are not generally considered racist. Most ethnic celebrations and clubs include, to some degree, a sense of pride associated with race. But even outside of organized groups, kids purposefully identify with certain in-groups (e.g. by dress, speech, music, hangout locations) that, although they may or may not be exclusive to one race, can certainly look from the outside like kids shouting "[this race]" and "[that race]" across the school yard.
This is an interesting post, and I recognize that you are being brave by even broaching this subject. I have a few thoughts about this.
- I wonder what you would have done if you had kids on the playground who are confused or uncomfortable about their own sex or gender.I've worked with a couple of kids who struggled with their gender identity in preschool. I used to pick one of them up at Kindergarten and she ALWAYS had to pee really badly when I arrived. I gave her a hard time, one day, asked "Why couldn't you go to the bathroom before the end of the school day, before I get here?" She told me conspiratorially that she waited so she didn't have to use the school bathroom because kids who didn't know her always said "You're in the girls' room!" or "There's a BOY in the GIRLS' room!" so she waited until she could go at my place. When she was 3 she said things like "I hate princesses, that's why I'm a boy." She's a really awesome almost teenage girl now, but when she was in preschool, this game would have tied her stomach in knots to watch. For kids like her, and others I've known just watching others asserting gender that way can be painful because it asks her to step on a line publicly and be judged by her peers, EVEN if she stays out of the game. I don't bring this up because I think that this instance of this game was problematic for your group, I bring it up to counter your idea that the game was "ok" simply because the difference was gender.
- I think that non-rj kids often exclude on the basis of race. At my center, we serve a very international community, so we have many skin tones in our classrooms. Children have been known to force one another into roles in princess games because of their skin tones. "There's no one in Cinderella with tan skin, so you can be the table... or the dog I guess." This is exclusion based on race, and it's not angry or mean or racist, but it is connected to our dominant culture and the stories we tell about people and our skin tones. I agree with you, of course, that race is a construct, but I can absolutely imagine kids on the playground yelling "Brown" and "White" or "Brown" and "Pink" in a similar way. I can also see how it may be outside of your context because of the make-up of your community.
I don't like to have a post that says "Yeah, but..." and that's all, but I'm afraid it's all I can contribute at the moment.
I think we don't worry about gender grouping as much as race grouping among kids because 1) gender groupings are nearly guaranteed to be equal in size and 2) gender at that age is defined by changeable characteristics (clothes and hair to some extent, but mostly who the kid chooses to identify with) while race is nearly always based on unchangeable skin color
So, gender groupings gravitate towards being balanced, and kids can effectively switch sides in the name of supporting friends and exploring both sides.
Racial groupings are more likely to be unbalanced in numbers, and kids can't switch sides as easily as putting on dress up clothes or announcing their change. We don't like the idea that some kids will probably get stuck on a (numerically) weaker side without as much chance to change it.
I read your blog to reaffirm my beliefs. After living in Seattle for years, I moved to the south. I am constantly having my personal beliefs about children and how they learn tested. So much of what you write about is relevant to my elementary aged students.
Our neighborhood in Seattle was diverse in every sense: Christian, Jewish, African-American, Asian, Latino, Russian, and same sex couple. When my daughters transferred to their school in Atlanta they were the only Caucasian student in their classes (K & 2nd). Everyday, I waited for them to come home and say, "Mom, the kids at school don't look like me." It NEVER happened. They never noticed. It wasn't until the next school year that an adult family member brought up the difference in Seattle & Atlanta. My oldest replied, "I noticed, I just didn't know it was important."
My colleagues sometimes misunderstand my willingness to let my students work things out without my intervention and/or guidance. I personally feel that they deserve my trust. I know that they can talk about things in a kind, caring way. This year, my third graders have discussed why some students have two moms (whether through divorce or same sex partnership), slavery and the implications, the protection our Founding Fathers gave to white men and how others helped to expand those freedoms. Most of their conversations were with each other. I hung around the periphery of the conversations "just in case". They never needed me, they figured it out, together!
Gender is easy to understand and concrete (for the most part). And it's interesting to each side at those ages. My kids are mixed. I am white, my husband is black. We have had many conversations over the last couple of years (they are 4 and 5 years old, a boy and girl) of the differences in people. When they brought up difference in skin color, it was as simple as difference in hair or eyes or any other physical characteristic. They got it, they understood it. Sometimes they point out differences they have never encountered before but it's never bad or "weird", just different.
There are so many variables in appearance that it's hard to group oneself in just one or another and I think all kids inherently know that. There is lots of boy vs girl stuff around the parks and in our home. We homeschool so maybe it would be different in a public school but I agree that unless the parents make it a big deal, it wouldn't be to kids. We are all interconnected and that is easy to see as a child.
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